fed up of all this rooney ****

[Bracey]

Im really starting to get pissed off with hearing how great wayne rooney is. Granted hes got potential, but at the moment he's average, and was average againest Turkey last night.

The commentators make excuse's for him when he ****s up aswell, take for example, againest Lictchstein (sp) on Saturday. That was the easiest header i have ever seen. All teh media say is 'Rooney was unlucky as a difficult header just missed' bull**** it was a ****ing sitter. Rooney makes a five yard pass and he has 'great vision' any other player does it (namely Heskey' and he 'lacks creativity'.

What did Rooney actually do againest the turks. He had one good (ish) run and put in an excellent pass for owen (who was ****) and that was it for the rest of the game. Half the time I didnt notice he was playing.

Also how come when Owen/Shearer/Becks/Dyer dive to win a free kick its 'clever' but if anyone else does it there cheats. Im basically fed up with the press, there sio baist. Another example, Ruud Van N ****ing assualts a Fulham player and nothing is said, Bergykamp barely touches Bowyer with his finger tips and hes branded a thug.

And Heskey, why does this guy get so much stick? He may lack a decent first touch at times, but he runs his bollocks off for 90 minutes and makes Owen look good. He was one of our better players againest Litchstein, excellent play to set up Owen and nothing is mentioned. And to quote something from football365...

He isn't 21 any more: Compare with Wayne Rooney.
The boy wonder gets 804 minutes of competitive Premiership football. He scores five. The guy is a world beater. Heskey, lauded in his early days as a great prospect, spends five seasons winning seven trophies and scoring goals on the domestic, euro and international stage. He's a failure.

One last thing how ****ing good is Rustu cant wait until he comes to highbury on a free in the summer.

Thats the end of my little rant for today

[Martin]

Rooney is not a brilliant player- yet, but his spirit and youthfulness and his couple of bits of skill towards the end of the first half gave us a lift and that's why we won the game- we played the second half with confidence and everyone started playing well.

I agree with you on the 'cheating' point. Especially Shearer, why do commentators always love him?

As for Heskey, he tries hard and do his best for 90 minutes and procedues some moments of quality- but not enough of them. He has only had 3 good games for England. Why does he get so much stick? Because of the diving and the fact he spends half the ****ing time on the floor perhaps?:rolleyes:

[McGint]

About time i saw that come from an English man.
I, and many others up here constantly say what you just said Bracy.
We think it was just us, but at least someone from down south has opened their mouth about it.

[Robbo]

its not just the press thats biased, its just the nation, when England beat Germany last year some of the members here said that the england players were overrated, they were labelled unpatriotic for it, now everyone agrees.

As for Rooney, he played alright, was expecting him to do more chasing of the ball than he actually did and show a bit of commitment (on a par with Beckham) but he didnt, nobody will be able to drop him from the squad now, from the first team even, he'll be like Owen which means no space for another striker unless we play 3 up front. Darius shouldn't start, he looked good and very dangerous but maybe he would be better as a super-sub style player, coming on for the last 20 when the defenders are knackered, he'd rip everyone up then.

[Chapps]

firstly..Hesky is ****E! hes supposed to be a forward, yet hes scored about 4 goals for liverpool and not many more for England. get this...Fowler has scored more for England than Hesky..

secondly, Rooney shouldnt be playing for England. Hes barely played any premiership football and putting him in the england squad at present will be a big mistake in the long run. Look at owen...brilliant youngster...but now hes just a burnt out pile of crap.

[John Lennon]

Originally posted by Bracey


And Heskey, why does this guy get so much stick? He may lack a decent first touch at times, but he runs his bollocks off for 90 minutes and makes Owen look good. He was one of our better players againest Litchstein, excellent play to set up Owen and nothing is mentioned. And to quote something from football365...



You hit the nail on the head there. Watching Heskey at the home games, I and all the other Liverpool fans see that his workrate is top class. He works his bollocks off!

And I'm also sick of Wayne Rooney. Especially with all the Everton fans seemingly coming out of the closet. Seriously. One minute there was none around, they win a few games, and that's it. THEY'RE ****ING EVERYWHERE!

[Polo]

Originally posted by Chipps
Look at owen...brilliant youngster...but now hes just a burnt out pile of crap.

47 caps/20 goals.

Don't know much really do ya?

[bigz]

owen is class

fellas been working hard all year to curb his injuries, and so next year, the year after, etc etc just see him fly.

rooney. he has the potential to be very very good... or the next norman whiteside., too much too young, body buckle sunder pressure

cheating. yeah, owen does dive a lot now, more so than he used to.

u can tell when he's lackign confidence cos he'll dive for the free-kick penalty etc when previously he would have stayed on his feet to have a shot himself.

england players are over-rated.

turkey ****ed on us, and SHOULD have won. their touch, vision, movement and balance is so much better than ours.

our passing is poor, we are far too riged, and we rely too much on certain players.

one of these players is beckham. now, who wasnt happy to hear he is suspended from the slovakia game?

i know i was. i think he drags down the england team, without adding anything (bar set-pieces).

why do u think owen et al dive so much? surely its tactics, to acually use our 'talismanic' *ahem* captain.

and since we dont have any left mids... oooh, apart from 2 european cup winners medals stevie mcmanaman... why do we play 4-4-2. play 5-3-2/3-5-2 and use dyer as right wing back and cole as left wing back, then we should have some attacking impetus down the flanks.

and as for heskey. for ****s sake. how many sheep are there in this country? he works his bollocks off, retrieving beckhams/gerrards/scholes over-hit passes (i.e. hoofs). doing the hard work for owen.

he also provides the lay offs for crosses, taks the attention of a couple of defenders, will always win headers, or if he wont win them, make it difficult for the oppo to get a clean head ont he ball.

and yeah, press is full of favourites and full of hypocrisy.

[Chapps]

Originally posted by Polo


47 caps/20 goals.

Don't know much really do ya?

dunno which hole you crawled out from under..but heh..
i never critiscised his goalscoring for england..but do you honestly think that owen has lived upto his potential..? i dont think so..

[Polo]

Originally posted by Chipps

but do you honestly think that owen has lived upto his potential..? i dont think so..

Yes, coz he's only 23 and he's Svens top goal scorer by a mile. He's also won the Ballon D'or.
What more do ya expect from him?

[Martin]

Owen has been under par this season, but it's only a bad patch. Every player in the world has bad patches at certain points throughout their career.

The press and comentators have favourites. Alan '****ing cheating scumbag' shearer is an example. Beckham is another...

Why should shearer play for England again, when he wimped out of international football in the first place?

Turkey did dominate the first half, but created a couple of decent chances, we created quite a few good opportunities. And Eriksson's diamond formation certainly worked in the second half, although some width down the flanks would be nice.

I completely agree with bigz that we should play with wing backs for the Slovakia game when beckham is suspended. Ferdinand, Southgate and Campbell should be the three centre halfs. With Ashely Cole as left wing back, and probably the scummy Dyer at right wing back (although many think he plays better in central midfield, but he played one of the best games by a right wing back I have ever seen- although it was against Luxembourg, but he created chances and give us width etc., all the things a wing back should do). Butt should play slightly deeper than Gerrard (who had a cracking 2nd half vs Turkey btw) and Scholes who will support the two strikers.

Heskey? He works hard, gives 100% unlike most attackers but he still doesn't score enough goals for club or country.

[Bracey]

Cole should be fit, got 10 - 15 minutes yesterday, expect him to be starting againest Sheff Utd, if not defintely againest the mancs on the 16th

[Laney]

Heskey IMHO shouldn't be starting for England. He plays, and he plays well, but I could go on the field for 90 minutes work my bollocks off and get pretty much nothing out of it. I'm having the same argument about Craig ****ing Bellamy with one of my flat mates. He works his arse off, is quick as ****ing lightening but what for?

Heskey's game isn't about scoring goals, and Eriksson knows this. If he wanted two out and out goal scorers on current form up front he would play Rooney and Beattie.

Rooney is a good player, there is no doubt about it, but he is way over rated, and it will end up being another Owen, who will be getting stick in 5 years time because he isn't playing well.

Personally I don't see Rooney as a stricker at all. I'd put him in centre mid. He has been compared to Gazza (which I think is utterly disgracefull btw) and to some extent I agree with what your saying Steve, he is getting too much press, but its the same with any player. If they are on a run of form, then play them

[Bracey]

The only comparison Rooney can have with gazza is there both fat as ****